I want to have a reasonable discussion about XCX’s timeline placement. I don’t want to hear, “It’s just a reference,” if you’re going to say my theory is wrong, then do it with evidence.
I have the idea that XCX is a prequel to XC1. My argument is based on the fact that Zanza said, “I will then create a new world! Just as I have done many times before!” I think that XCX is one of Zanza’s universes before his final one in XC1. It can’t be one of two theories that state it’s a sequel. Mira can’t be the corps of the Bionis and Mechonis because the universe they existed in was destroyed: “This world is stagnant. It has expired.” The other theory that states Mira is Shulk’s world also doesn’t make sense because how would humans and Nopon exist on entirely different planets with no history of each other?
XCX may be one of Zanza’s previous universes because Telethia exist, and XC1 establishes that they are Zanza’s creation and thus would not exist without him. Mira also has a lot of divine intervention occurrences, such as languages being translated, Lao coming back to life, and the existence of “living” humans on Mira. Nopons exist and they were created by Zanza, so that helps… I guess?
There are probably a lot of holes that you would love to point out, or you realize a piece of evidence I’m forgetting. Please, let’s turn this into a discussion.
CeriumEcstatic wrote: XCX in non-canon. It is nowhere in the timeline.
Except it very clearly is. Between the official canon short story and several hints in game some even connecting it to xenoblade 2 (if you go by the japanese version).
Off the top of my head: The Legendary Heropon being a longstanding tradition, Riki being named in game, The nopon considering Humans and Hom Homs different races, Logos, and not even going into speculative stuff like the visual queues.
"During E3 2014, a Nintendo Treehouse demo of the game included commentary which suggested that while it retains the name, it was more of a spiritual successor of Xenoblade Chronicles with no story ties to it."
So yeah, XCX is pretty much non-canon. Any allusions relating to it should not be taken seriously.
"During E3 2014, a Nintendo Treehouse demo of the game included commentary which suggested that while it retains the name, it was more of a spiritual successor of Xenoblade Chronicles with no story ties to it."
So yeah, XCX is pretty much non-canon. Any allusions relating to it should not be taken seriously.
There's no citation for that and I know every single time they were asked about story relevance Takehashi dodged it. Each game i'll get harder and harder to deny.
That's just PR speak--it's a pretty common method to try to get newcomers to try out their newest games. Even so, Takahashi said on multiple occasions that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 had no connections in terms of the plot prior to release. Obviously, that's not the case anymore.
There was no orbital station in XCX and on other hand in XC2 there was a war between a governant and rebels not between 2 aliens races. So no, that wasn't the same war.
Klaus circle was not to realy destroy the universe and create a new one, but destroy the life on bionis and recreate it, so the people wouldn't forget him and his power (Alvis said he did it because he feared that he would vanish if he would get forgotten) So no Miira couldn't be one of those worlds... Also NLA doesn't worship a god so it wouldn't fit to zanza's motivs
The only connection i could see would be the samariaans: It was said that they came from another universe. Klaus experiment send Humans to other dimensions, so it would fit if the samaarians would be what those humans became in the XCX universe. They could even recreate earth with new humans, like Klaus did in XC1 and 2
Things like telethia as a superboss is more an easter egg then a real conection, much like the nopon. That are a connection for the fans, not something that conect the differend universes in the games
SoranPanoko wrote: There was no orbital station in XCX and on other hand in XC2 there was a war between a governant and rebels not between 2 aliens races. So no, that wasn't the same war.
Klaus circle was not to realy destroy the universe and create a new one, but destroy the life on bionis and recreate it, so the people wouldn't forget him and his power (Alvis said he did it because he feared that he would vanish if he would get forgotten) So no Miira couldn't be one of those worlds... Also NLA doesn't worship a god so it wouldn't fit to zanza's motivs
The only connection i could see would be the samariaans: It was said that they came from another universe. Klaus experiment send Humans to other dimensions, so it would fit if the samaarians would be what those humans became in the XCX universe. They could even recreate earth with new humans, like Klaus did in XC1 and 2
Things like telethia as a superboss is more an easter egg then a real conection, much like the nopon. That are a connection for the fans, not something that conect the differend universes in the games
As for the orbital station: You don't know that. We only got far shots of the earth and it could have been on the other side, easily.
As for the fighting outside of the station in XB2: We don't know who the Saviorites are. All we know is that they're capable of fighting the world government. They could be a hostile alien group, they could be rebels, we just don't know.
As for Klaus, I'd use "Klaus" to refer to pre transition expirement and ZZanza to refer to XB1 Klaus, and God Klaus to refer to XB2 Klaus to avoid confusion. His motivations have nothing to do with Mira. You completely lose me with your logic there. Mira is either Shulk's new world once he defeated Zanza, probably placed at the beginning of the XBX's time cycle and the races later on became the Samarrians, or we simply just don't know yet.
And as for NLA: Play the japanese version. The script isn't completely butchered. Or you could just boot up any version of the game and walk down to the massive church in the middle of the map.
The multiple universes the game refers to is more than likely referring to this series' counterpart to the Upper Domain.
And finally as for the Nopon. Big fat wad of complete and utter bull. The Nopon refer to events of XB1 in both the official short story and in the game. Frontier Village is a place that exists in on Mira as well, but the Nopon hide its location.
It has a ring around earth so no it can't be on the other side.
Also the Orbital station is above the USA (sighs in morytha and on the station), where the white whale starts so it would be the same angle (it's also logical that both start at the south of the us because physic)
So no chance that Klaus was there. And still: XC2 was Governant vs. rebels while XCX was Federation vs Ghost, they know the names from elma so it wouldn't make sense to call them rebels...
Also in XCX the humans have Skells and in XC2 they use strange robots with a halo. So it's deffinitiv not the same conflict, nothing fits together
Your theory just doesn't fit to the lore of the games.
Zanzas motive to recreate the world is that people should remember him (that was said in the XC1 ending). Miira has no mention of a Zanza or any other deity so it would not fit to what zanza wanted to have, also it cannot be shulks new world, because "Shulk's world" is not in the universe with the earth (that would be the XC2 world)
The mention of things like a frontier village is just an easter egg, nothing more. Fans can get a smile but the lore doesn't fit together so both games take place in different universes
The problem with theories like that is that people like to connect things in their heads, even if there is no connection. XCX is seperate from the other 2 Xenoblades (if not the idea with the samaarians are true, but there is nothing to indicate it, just that humans were send to another dimension in XC2 and the samaarians should be humans from an other dimension in XCX)
SoranPanoko wrote: It has a ring around earth so no it can't be on the other side.
It's also a very thin ring.
SoranPanoko wrote:
Also the Orbital station is above the USA (sighs in morytha and on the station), where the white whale starts so it would be the same angle (it's also logical that both start at the south of the us because physic)
So no chance that Klaus was there. And still: XC2 was Governant vs. rebels while XCX was Federation vs Ghost, they know the names from elma so it wouldn't make sense to call them rebels...
Also in XCX the humans have Skells and in XC2 they use strange robots with a halo. So it's deffinitiv not the same conflict, nothing fits together
Your theory just doesn't fit to the lore of the games.
As far as the space station is concerned there's little you can say that'll actually sound convincing. You also don't see a lot of things in the opening cutscene of XBX that SHOULD be there like satalites, other planets, the sun and so forth. They can easily just retcon it in later. It's not a very big station from the looks of it either.
As for the second point. Again, you're just making an assumption here that the saviorites are rebelling against the government. We don't know if they're aliens, we don't know if they're humans, we don't know if they're just people who defected to the Samaar federation. In XBX the war had been going on for a very long time before everyone decided to leave earth.
Dolls are also by far from the only potential defence mechanism humans could have. The Sirens make more sense for an automated space station defence. If I remember right some dolls had halos in XBX as well. It's a reocuring them in Xeno-games for things powered by the Zohar.
SoranPanoko wrote:Zanzas motive to recreate the world is that people should remember him (that was said in the XC1 ending). Miira has no mention of a Zanza or any other deity so it would not fit to what zanza wanted to have,
You're the only one proposing Zanza created it.
SoranPanoko wrote:
also it cannot be shulks new world, because "Shulk's world" is not in the universe with the earth (that would be the XC2 world)
[citation needed]
SoranPanoko wrote:
The mention of things like a frontier village is just an easter egg, nothing more. Fans can get a smile but the lore doesn't fit together so both games take place in different universes
I'll repeat: What about the short story where Nopon's directly mention events and characters from the first game? For things that are just "Easter eggs" there sure is a LOT of them.
SoranPanoko wrote: The problem with theories like that is that people like to connect things in their heads, even if there is no connection. XCX is seperate from the other 2 Xenoblades (if not the idea with the samaarians are true, but there is nothing to indicate it, just that humans were send to another dimension in XC2 and the samaarians should be humans from an other dimension in XCX)
Not another dimension. The same dimension. The xeno universe is cyclical. Humans learn to reset it to avoid a great tragedy at the end of the universe to keep life going. The samaarians are the humans from the previous timeline who managed to make it over and use their advance technology to start life over again and try to prevent the tragedy that is inevitably going to happen again. Zanza and Galea would be the equivalent to them in Xenoblade 1 and 2. Zanza reset the universe for whatever reason, and he and Galea created the world of the Bionis and Mechonis while Klaus was left on the ruins of earth that all the humans had abandoned during the intergalactic war in order to rebuild. Earth being lost was a mainplot point in Xenosaga and it'd make sense for Xenoblade 1 and 2 to explain what happened to it to cause humans to assume it was destroyed.
SoranPanoko wrote: It has a ring around earth so no it can't be on the other side.
It's also a very thin ring.
SoranPanoko wrote:
Also the Orbital station is above the USA (sighs in morytha and on the station), where the white whale starts so it would be the same angle (it's also logical that both start at the south of the us because physic)
So no chance that Klaus was there. And still: XC2 was Governant vs. rebels while XCX was Federation vs Ghost, they know the names from elma so it wouldn't make sense to call them rebels...
Also in XCX the humans have Skells and in XC2 they use strange robots with a halo. So it's deffinitiv not the same conflict, nothing fits together
Your theory just doesn't fit to the lore of the games.
As far as the space station is concerned there's little you can say that'll actually sound convincing. You also don't see a lot of things in the opening cutscene of XBX that SHOULD be there like satalites, other planets, the sun and so forth. They can easily just retcon it in later. It's not a very big station from the looks of it either.
As for the second point. Again, you're just making an assumption here that the saviorites are rebelling against the government. We don't know if they're aliens, we don't know if they're humans, we don't know if they're just people who defected to the Samaar federation. In XBX the war had been going on for a very long time before everyone decided to leave earth.
Dolls are also by far from the only potential defence mechanism humans could have. The Sirens make more sense for an automated space station defence. If I remember right some dolls had halos in XBX as well. It's a reocuring them in Xeno-games for things powered by the Zohar.
SoranPanoko wrote:Zanzas motive to recreate the world is that people should remember him (that was said in the XC1 ending). Miira has no mention of a Zanza or any other deity so it would not fit to what zanza wanted to have,
You're the only one proposing Zanza created it.
SoranPanoko wrote:
also it cannot be shulks new world, because "Shulk's world" is not in the universe with the earth (that would be the XC2 world)
[citation needed]
SoranPanoko wrote:
The mention of things like a frontier village is just an easter egg, nothing more. Fans can get a smile but the lore doesn't fit together so both games take place in different universes
I'll repeat: What about the short story where Nopon's directly mention events and characters from the first game? For things that are just "Easter eggs" there sure is a LOT of them.
SoranPanoko wrote: The problem with theories like that is that people like to connect things in their heads, even if there is no connection. XCX is seperate from the other 2 Xenoblades (if not the idea with the samaarians are true, but there is nothing to indicate it, just that humans were send to another dimension in XC2 and the samaarians should be humans from an other dimension in XCX)
Not another dimension. The same dimension. The xeno universe is cyclical. Humans learn to reset it to avoid a great tragedy at the end of the universe to keep life going. The samaarians are the humans from the previous timeline who managed to make it over and use their advance technology to start life over again and try to prevent the tragedy that is inevitably going to happen again. Zanza and Galea would be the equivalent to them in Xenoblade 1 and 2. Zanza reset the universe for whatever reason, and he and Galea created the world of the Bionis and Mechonis while Klaus was left on the ruins of earth that all the humans had abandoned during the intergalactic war in order to rebuild. Earth being lost was a mainplot point in Xenosaga and it'd make sense for Xenoblade 1 and 2 to explain what happened to it to cause humans to assume it was destroyed.
1st. Other Planets are far away so they wouldnt be more then a little point..., the sun is there, and trash is to small to see it from far away. But yes there should maybe a Spacestation or 2. And the ring is not thin, it's nearly half the size of the station. Like I said, stuff need to start from the equator or close to it (the earth is there faster so it's easier for spacestuff to reach the speed for the orbit)
But no Skells doesn't have halos.. We saw Sirens fight against aircraft or jets, nothing that is even close to the federation or the ghost you just try to connect things that aren't connect
That Shulks new world is not the earths universe is pretty clear, XC2 take place on our earth in the future, while XC take place in a different Universe to it. That is what klaus said in XC2 (half of him is in a different Universe and became Zanza) So there can't be a connection
The only thing nopon said where names like Frontier Village, which could also be a old village on mira or something. It's in the game as Fanservice, as a note to the first game, that doesn't mean, that they are the same. If it would be the same and Nopon are a strange conection it would conflict to the entire lore. So no you cannot say that is a connection.
And it was directly said that the samaarians came from another universe. Not from a universe before them, not from timetravel or other stuff, it was said from another Universe. the rest of your idea is pure nonsense. But i would repeat myself...
You want to connect things that are so extrem different, that can't be connected...
Maybe you should watch that video
p.s. That zanza creat mirra was not my idea, that is what the startpost said
Ich denke das Xenoblade Chronik 1 und Xenoblade Chronik 2 zur gleichen Zeit stand finden. Daher kann es nicht sein das Xenoblade Chronik 1 der Nachfolger von Xenoblade Chronik 2 ist.
Daher ist meine Theorie das es zwei Orbitel gab. Ein in Xenoblade Chronik 1 und ein anderer in Xenoblade Chronik 2
Aber als der erste Orbitel aktiv wird gibt es keine zwei Orbitel, denn es gibt nur das Grundgerüst das Xenoblade X transportiert wird. Nach wird von Xenoblade X der zweite Orbitel aufgebaut. Also ist Xenoblade X der Nachfolger von Xenoblade Chronik 2